FAA Division Chief C:  October 2000

For 6 years Mr. C was the Division Chief of the Accidents and Investigations Branch of the FAA in Washington DC.  In his testimony
he tells about a 1986 Japanese Airlines 747 flight that was followed by a UFO for 31 minutes over the Alaskan skies.  The UFO also
trailed a United Airlines flight until the flight landed.  There was visual confirmation as well as air-based and ground-based radar
confirmation.  This event was significant enough for the then FAA Administrator, Admiral Engen, to hold a briefing the next day
where the FBI, CIA, President Reagan’s Scientific Study Team, as well as others attended.  Videotape radar evidence, air traffic voice
communications and paper reports were compiled and presented.  At the conclusion of this meeting, the attending CIA members
instructed everyone present that ‘”the meeting never took place” and that “this incident was never recorded.”  Not realizing that there
was additional evidence, they confiscated just the evidence presented, but Mr. C was able to secure videotape and audio evidence of
the event.

C:  Chief C                   SG:  Dr. Steven Greer

C:  …Now in the 747 they have radar in the nose that picks up the weather outside there.  So his radar is picking up a target.  He sees
this target with his eyes.  And the target, the way he described it, was a huge ball with lights running around it.  And I think he said it
was like four times as big as a 747!

And the military man said something like, yeah, I see him 35 miles north of Anchorage…

The UFO was bouncing around the 747 here.  And when he would say that, the military guy would cut in and say, he’s now at
2:00 or 3:00 and he would confirm the position.  The military controller has, what they call, height-finding radar, and they have
long-range radar and short-range radar.  So if they don’t catch it on one of their systems they catch it on the other.  And if you
listen to the military man, at one time he said, I have it on the height radar, or my range radar, which indicated that they had a
target on his system.  Well they ran through for the best part of 31 minutes…

Then the next day I got a call from someone with the Scientific Study Group [for President Reagan], or the CIA, I’m not sure who it
was, the first call.  And they had some questions about the incident.  And I had said, I don’t know what you are talking about, you
probably want to call the Admiral [FAA Administrator Engen].

Well a few minutes later the Admiral calls down and says, I have set up a briefing tomorrow morning at 9:00 am in the round
room.  Bring all the stuff you have.  Bring everybody up there and give them whatever they want.  We want to get out of it.
Just let them do whatever they want.  So I brought all the people from the Tech Center.  We had all kinds of boxes of data that
we had them print out; it filled up the room.  They brought in three people from the FBI, three people from the CIA, and three
people from Reagan’s Scientific Study team?I don’t know who the rest of the people were but they were all excited…

When they got done, they actually swore all these other guys in there that this never took place.  We never had this meeting.  And this
was never recorded.

SG:  Who said that?  Who was saying that?

C:  This was one of the guys from the CIA.  Okay?  That they were never there and this never happened.  At the time I said, well I
don’t know why you are saying this.  I mean, there was something there and if it’s not the stealth bomber, then you know, it’s a
UFO.  And if it’s a UFO, why wouldn’t you want the people to know?  Oh, they got all excited over that.  You don’t even want to say
those words.  He said this is the first time they ever had 30 minutes of radar data on a UFO.  And they are all itching to get their hands
onto the data and to find out what it is and what really goes on.  He says if they come out and told the American public that they ran
into a UFO out there, it would cause panic across the country.  So therefore, you can’t talk about it.  And they are going to take all
this data…

Well when they read the reports that came through the FAA decided it had to protect themselves?you can’t say you saw a target,
even though this is what he said.  So they made him change his report to say “position symbols,” which makes it sound like it wasn’t
really a target.  Well if it’s not a target then a lot of the other position symbols that we are separating [on radar] aren’t targets either.
And when I read that, I thought oh, there is something fishy here, that somebody is worried about something or other and they are
trying to cover up.

When the CIA told us that this never happened and we never had this meeting, I believe it was because they didn’t want the public to
know that this was going on.  Normally we would put out some type of a news release that such and such happened…

The only ones that see a UFO in the TV programs are the rednecks out in the country that are going coon hunting or alligator hunting
at night.  You don’t find anybody with any kind of smarts or some professional individual saying hey, last night let me tell you what I
saw.  They don’t display that in the United States.  So if you talk about seeing a UFO, you are putting yourself in a funny kind of
category.  That’s probably one of the reasons why you don’t hear about it anymore.  But as far as I’m concerned, I saw a UFO chase
a Japanese 747 across the sky for over half an hour on radar.  And it’s faster than anything that I know of in our Government.

Well, I’ve been involved in a lot of cover-ups with the FAA.  When we gave the presentation to the Reagan staff I was behind the
group that was there.  And when they were speaking to the people in the room, they had all those people swear that this never
happened.  But they never had me swear it never happened.  And it always bothered me that we have these things going on and when
you see something or you hear something on the radio or TV, the news, that it’s put down as it’s not there.  I have a hard time saying
nothing.

It still bothers me that I’ve seen all this, I know all this, and I’m walking around with the answer, and nobody wants to ask the
question to get the answer.  And it kind of irritates me a little bit.  And I don’t believe our Government should be set up that way.  I
think when we have something like this, that you can probably find out more about what’s going on in the world [by not covering it
up].  If they [the UFOs] can travel that far, that distance with that type of machinery, who knows what they could do here for the
health of the nation, the people, the food they could give them, the cancers we could cure.  They have to know more than us to be
able to travel at that speed.

For those people that say that if these UFOs existed, they would some day be on radar and that there’d be professionals who would
see it, then I can tell them that back in 1986 there were enough professional people that saw it.  It was brought down to headquarters,
FAA headquarters, Washington D.C.  The Administrator saw the tape of it.  The people that we were debriefing, they’ve all seen.
Reagan’s Scientific Study team, three of those professors, doctors, they’ve seen it.  As far as I was concerned they were the ones
that verified my own thoughts about it.  They were very, very excited about the data.  They had said that this was the only time a UFO
was ever recorded on radar for any length of time where it is 30 some minutes.  And they have all this data to look at…

What I can tell you is what I’ve seen with my own eyes.  I’ve got a videotape.  I’ve got the voice tape.  I’ve got the reports that were
filed that will confirm what I’ve been telling you.  And I’m one of those, what you would call the high Government officials in the
FAA.  I was a Division Chief.  I was only three or four down from the Admiral…